0:10 Everyone today on Level Select, we're talking about the recently renovated Bel Air Golf Park in Glendale, AZ with Mariah Swaggart, also known as Miss Swag Golf. She's a former college player, she's in the PGASPGM Associate program. She gives amazing golf instruction and she helps us decide if this course will pass some of the must play test questions. 0:28 There's some audio issues in the very beginning, but we took care of it pretty quick. This is a great episode and I hope you enjoy. Mariah, welcome to level Select. How's it going today? Oh it's so good. Thanks for having me appreciate being on here. Of course we're super excited to have you on. 0:43 We're super excited to chat all the things about Bel Air Golf Park in Glendale, AZ. I need to specify to everyone listening at home, we are not talking Bel Air Country Club in Los Angeles. That is true, very different. Yeah, 2 very different courses, 2 very different vibes, 2 very different climates. 1:05 But I want to get our listeners at home a little bit familiar with you. You're super active on social media as Miss Swag Golf. You host the Meaningful Topics podcast. You are a member of the PGA Associate program. You run your own production agency. 1:20 You play actively in the grass league. When do you find time to actually play golf? Well, I think I, I try to say yes to any opportunity that that allows me to play. So then, you know, even if it's a work event or a fundraiser of some sort or the grass league, I say yes to it and, and then learn from it too. 1:41 Like the grass league, for example, I probably won't be invited back because I did not play well. But, you know, I just, I love the opportunity to play and if I can schedule that and then I absolutely will. If it's just recreational, I don't find myself booking very many tee times for myself anymore. 1:57 But it's almost more fun to do it for an event or for, you know, some sort of activity. Well, I will say do not feel bad about putting up a not so great score at Goat Hill. It is notorious for being just a very underestimated difficult golf course. 2:18 The we've ranked it here on our regular podcast must play. I'm a San Diego native. Sean's been out and played GOAT multiple times when visiting and it's a very under assuming like what, 5500 yards, Sean? Yeah, something like that, yeah, so. 2:36 Absolutely, yeah. And you know, they they made it longer. They really mixed it up on people too, because there are quite a few people who are local to San Diego playing in the grass league and they wanted to challenge them and kind of make it feel like an even playing field and make the go even harder. So that was fun. They added a lot of yardage to it. 2:52 So this is fun just to be challenged in that way. But in December when they have their championship at the grass clippings, I will be covering socials and be behind the camera. Well, I guess in front of the camera but not on the box so. Were you there earlier this year for the Open at Grass Clippings? 3:09 Yes, yeah, that was very fun. I got to cover some of the socials as well and I I really enjoy that. Yeah, I was there for that, too. That was a great event to watch. It's always fun watching people who are really good at golf come to your home track or do something on your course like go or grass clippings, and you're just see the holes in a different light. 3:28 Like how easy it is when they pick their spots on the green. You're like, I'm just trying to hit the green. Exactly, Yes, exactly. Or like when there are crowds, the the whole course changes when there is a bunch of spectators and you're like, wow, this is so fun and stadiums are built and you're like, this is a whole new light to a course that I normally play casually. 3:47 Yeah. What's your favorite style of golf? Like what type of course would you prefer to play? That's a tough one. I really do like desert courses. I mean, I was, I grew up in Indiana and so that landscape is always interesting to me. 4:03 Plus I feel like there's a chance I can hit it. Like if I hit, you know, miss fairway or hit it in the desert, I still feel like there's a chance I could find it and hit it out of the sand or off the rocks. And, and when I, you know, where I grew up in Indiana, once you were in the trees, you were done for. So, you know, I like having a little bit of a silver lining if I hit it off the grass. 4:24 I hear that. Very cool, very cool. So I want to learn a little bit more about you before we dive into Bel Air. 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OK so jumping back in Mariah, you were actually just talking about growing up in Indiana and learning golf in in the woods and I wanted to kind of first touch fun like tell us about your history with golf. 5:20 What got you into it that kind of lead us. You don't have to lead us up until, you know, this very day, but tell us, tell us how you got your start in golf and, and how we how we kind of got to where we're at. Oh yeah. So I played growing up my it's kind of just a past time that my dad and I would do and he would always bring me like just a fun activity that's free to do is going to the public horses and chipping and putting. 5:43 So bringing our shag bag and had to make one of us had to make it in before we could leave, that sort of thing, which was always fun. Yeah. So we enjoyed that. I probably should have spent more time putting, to be honest. But, you know, have a fond relationship with chipping. And so, yeah, it was always, you know, kind of just something I did and join the middle school girls golf team. 6:04 There wasn't much, you know, many of us and there wasn't much emphasis on that program. So middle school, high school, you know, we played locally and it was fun. It was fun way to bond with people. And you saw the same faces and you had the same team mates, you know, through your entire a career and elementary or elementary through high school, really. 6:23 So yeah, you know, I wasn't really planning on playing college golf. It didn't sound like something I wanted to really pursue. It sound like a lot of challenges and time spent away from academics. And but I still reached out to coaches because of the scholarships were there. 6:40 And at the time, yeah, I was like a no brainer to just try. So it's funny that you mentioned the thing about golf scholarships because we were talking about it right before we hopped on the pod where we were talking about like there's like 5000 plus female golf scholarships that go like unclaimed every year. So really like just spamming them out there is actually a probably a pretty good technique to actually get your name out there. 7:01 And there's probably a strong likelihood that if you're a female that plays golf in high school, you're going to pick one up if you try. Yeah, honestly, and I mean, this was 10 years ago, not to age myself, but this was a while ago. So, you know, time has changed and obviously golfers become more popular, a little more competitive for girl golfers. 7:18 However, there's still a lot of universities and colleges that are just now starting female golf programs and they have the funding, but they don't have the players. So yes, I fully believe that stat and highly recommend girls if they're in college or looking at colleges, just put it out there and see, from my experience, I was in cold Indiana and I wanted to go somewhere warm and so I literally just looked up all NAIA. 7:46 So NAIA is another avenue I have told people to look into. It's kind of over overlooked sometimes. So you have your NCAA, you know, Division 123, but then you have NAIA, which is these private schools that have a lot of funding, a lot of private funding too. And sometimes they're a little bit tougher to get into. 8:04 But honestly, I think that's not necessarily true. It's just maybe a couple more applications. But they have a lot of smaller universities are starting their girls golf programs and the demand or they, I shouldn't say the demand, but the in my experience, it wasn't as competitive. 8:20 So I had more opportunities there with these NIA schools, whereas, you know, if I went to a D school or D1 or two school, I probably wouldn't get to travel very much or play very much. Whereas these teams are smaller, they're taking on more variety of of players and different school levels. 8:37 So yeah, I highly recommend that because funding is typically there at those schools and you get to travel more because the divisions are more spread out. In my case, NAI, most of the schools were in California, so we got to go to California often and that was very fun. 8:53 But yeah, so I reached out to a bunch of NAI schools in warm States and then just kind of figured, I sent my stats and my swing video and I just took the highest scholarship to be honest with you. And that's kind of that's what I recommend even if you're not interested when you graduate high school. 9:10 Give us some time because, you know, I made my decision just a few weeks before school started. College started. Yeah. So you have the summer to think about it, weigh your pros and cons and may spend some time at home, take a break from school and then you might decide you want to get back into it. You know, once ball rolled around. 9:27 So like in college, I've always, I did. I didn't play in college, but I assume that, you know, we're at that age or young where you're thinking this could be the career path for me. Did you have that mindset or were you in the back of your mind? Like, you know, should this not work out? 9:43 I am fully prepared to go into the workforce doing something that I'm taking a degree and like what was that mindset in the college? Yeah, for myself personally, I was really excited to get out into the career workplace and and start my career in teaching. 9:58 I was really passionate about that. And so it wasn't something I was always pursuing. I know several other people were and the opportunities are there. You know, you can change your entire outlook in your in your golf game in one year. It depends on how much you invest in every. 10:14 So college is really formative years of deciding if you want to take it further or not. But that wasn't there for me. But I will say I invested a lot in the the opportunities. I wanted to obviously be a part of everything while I was there. And then there's some also other events that were like fundraisers and things that we would play in. 10:34 And I remember thinking like, these are such unique opportunities that I want to hopefully pursue and continue in my adult years to, you know, to be able to to go, which I'm doing, you know, to go to events and fundraisers and be able to do that. And that's something that I found a passion for a while in college because of the opportunities. 10:52 So the college players out there, if you have a chance to play in like a little charity event or something, I highly recommend it. And from what I've heard, you kind of get a little refreshed too, because it's, you know, usually a scramble. It's kind of fun. And a lot of times college students are dealing with burnout from the sport. So that's a fun way to kind of mix it up. 11:09 And then you can you can just enjoy the sport again and meet new people and. I, I think that's a, that's a good mindset to take to anyone who's feeling burnt out with golf is just go play a scramble with your friends. It I've, I've never walked away from playing, whether it was just us playing a friendly scramble on the weekend, playing like a two man versus another two person scramble or actually like signing up for a tournament. 11:35 It makes you feel so much better about your golf game because you only end up remembering all the good shots that you hit and you could just easily forget about the bad ones. It's quite clear the only downside is that team carting a 47 or some stupid number and. 11:51 I I gave up the idea. Of winning a scramble a long, long time ago. It's like a casino. You're not expecting money. You're just there to have a good time. It's entertainment. You know I'm there. For vibes, the two free drink tickets, the swag bag and the dinner like that or the lunch like that's, yeah, whatever I signed up for on that showed up like on the on the thing on the on the sign up page. 12:18 I'm cool with that. That's what I've, that's what I've assumed that I'm walking away with that. Yeah, totally. So Mariah, obviously you were going down the teaching path and that's kind of what I would assume that that's probably what led you to what you've been doing a lot of more recently, right. Tell us more about that. 12:35 Yes, well, I love teaching. The passion is still there, but in the public school study and I just, it was, it was a lot the classroom management and kind of, you know, having the passion to make sure the kids are really learning and passing their tests is, is a lot of work. So I'm grateful where I am and I'm also grateful for the lessons I learned there. 12:53 And tip my hat to all the teachers out there. They are rock stars. I'm glad I Yeah, I'm glad I'm finally at the point where I was able to take both passions in life and kind of mold them together. And I always, man, it's one of those things I watched my golf coaches growing up and I would be like, why are you doing this all day? 13:10 You're in the sun. Your skin is like so leathery, like out, you know, like, I could never do that. And then here I am. But nowadays, it's nice that you have. What I really love is the clinics and there's so many options and inspiring others to play golf. 13:27 You don't have to be like I don't plan to be a super high level swing coach. I don't, I don't understand the depths of all the bio mechanics and it would honestly take people and spent so much time and effort to to really be experts on the swing. 13:44 And that's something I haven't put in the time for, to be honest. I mean, in the PGM program and I'm learning from excellent coaches, but my passion is just to get people excited about the sport and to learn it and to feel confident walking onto the golf course. So I find the most benefits for myself and my style of teaching to be through clinics where people get to come together and network and and then feel like they learn something, walk away learning something, feel more confident about their to play, you know, their swing and playing the game as a whole. 14:18 So yeah, that's how the world's have kind of meshed. And, you know, the education learning styles have not changed very much whether you're an elementary student or an adult. So it's kind of nice to be able to simplify the game a lot and take what I've learned as you know, education major into into now the the golf range. 14:40 OK, so building off of that, I want to ask you kind of a fun question here. What are three tips that you think are applicable to golfers of all skill levels? I love that. Well, First off, it's finding your target, like really committing to the target. 14:55 So, you know, understand a little bit first about the distance in between, like what club you're going to choose. But First off, there's no where you want to hit the ball. And I think that's a big part of it. And then also, I think the second tip would be finding your natural swing. A lot of us are, we have a lot of more athleticism than we think just from throwing a ball. 15:17 I think your body understands how to work in that way. And so if you can harness that energy of this is how my body works to get this ball from here to there, I can now take it a little bit more vertically and use a club to hit the ball too. So simplify it as much as possible. 15:33 And I like to do that through drills, but there's lots of ways to do that. I think wall throws is a big one for me that I encourage people to do. Take a wall, throw it against, kind of use your golf swing, but throw it against the wall and your body's like, oh, I know how to do that. Like I understand what I need to do to get the ball to bounce back to me off the wall. 15:52 So I think that's so first one is make sure you're committed to your target, choose your target, commit to it. Second is don't overthink it. Dress your swing. Golf is a game of misses and the people who win just miss a little bit less. But if you had that mentality with it of, you know, I'm not going to be hitting my target every single time. 16:13 I'm going to be close and then I'm going to work with my miss. And I'd rather miss on the side of the fairway than that side of the fairway. So yeah, simplifying the second and then third, I'd say have fun with it. So find your your people, find your crew. You know the the advice is to play with better golfers than you are, but you want to have fun with it too. 16:33 So you know, find keep going to meet ups or signing up for one spot of the random to meet people. That usually works to find people you can keep practicing with and they'll they'll get you out to the golf course 'cause you know the more time you spend out there, you'll see more improvements each time you play, hopefully. 16:53 The first one you just mentioned, pick your target, right? Commit to your target. Think about that. If I can out TJ here just really quickly. This is old TJ, not new TJ, OK, He he has corrected this behavior. But when he first started and he was very high handicapper, he did what the common mistake is I feel like a lot of handicappers do, is they tell you what the trouble is. 17:13 He. Was looking at water, he was looking at whatever, and he was like on 18 birdies or looking in through a range Finder. OK, this is where I don't want to go, right? And then what usually happens is you hit at the place you're thinking about that you don't want to go. Exactly. 17:29 And so with him, I used to be like, hey, you know, like, I appreciate you telling me how far a bunker is or whatever. That is. But really all I want to know is front of the green and back of the green. I want to know that that yardage and then I'm locked into like what I'm trying to do there. He has since corrected this behavior and now he is just like asking for the number to the middle or something like that. 17:48 And that's all he needs versus, you know, the water might be 100 yards left. And he used to ask me about that. And now I'm like, no, I'm not going to tell you. Ask me about the middle of the green. Yeah, the yeah, the I don't know what was whatever I was doing back then. 18:05 It's it's a terrible habit to get into to only be thinking about the water or the sand trap or the penalty area or whatever. I I also never realized that when I had played much younger in my life and I had a nasty slice, how actually nice it kind of was to have just a nasty slice that was like repeatable. 18:28 And your miss was always the same until I got older and developed like a two way miss for the first time in my life and was like oh now I just now I am down the middle and just hope that it goes straight like what? Like it's so true moaning your swing when you're out there if you want to see your score improve, It's it's knowing that I don't need to hit it in the perfect spot every time. 18:50 I need to hit in the spot that I can play my next shot well. Exactly. Absolutely. And I found that the brain in all areas of life, the brain really doesn't know how to compute not, don't do this, not go in there. You don't want to go in the water. So it's like the brain only holds on to like the, the comment that you just said and the and the stress you feel about it. 19:11 So yeah. And one other thing too, that this is kind of a tip, but if you always visualize the green as being enormous, it just helps for some reason. Instead of saying water is huge as an ocean in your mind. But if you're instead flip it to the green and you're like, well, actually the green is pretty big. 19:30 I think the green, yeah, it kind of helps. I started doing that on, on certain wedge shots where I'll go if I'm 100 yards in, I'm going to look at a smaller circle around the flag of where I want to land this right. If I'm 100 to 150, I'm only carrying about half the green. 19:49 Am I going front half, back, half, something close to that right, 150 plus I'm just trying to hit the green. I'm just like, I want the dead middle of the yardage and I just want to land it somewhere there 'cause like you just said, like. You want to think about what you're leaving yourself for that next shot, right? 20:04 And I'm not going to be predictably close to the flag from 1:50 plus every single time. And so I feel like that is a huge unlock for people when like right before they swing, you go, hey, real quick, where are you aiming? And then usually it's like, I'm aiming for the pin. 20:19 You're like, why? You're 180 out. Yes, yeah. What exactly? No, it's so true. I really like that analogy, too. Just like, OK, just get to the green, you know, green and regulation is something we track all the time. And we're like, well, why do we track it? Well, it's just so important. Yeah. 20:35 And if we were better, maybe it would make more sense to know those things, right? But like until you get to a repeatable part like, you should not think about it that way. Yeah, yeah. Simplify the game for sure, yeah. Yeah. So you had talked about having fun on the golf course and finding your people. 20:52 And I think one of the best ways to go and find some people that you like to go play with is at a driving range. I also think executive courses are a nice way to get out and meet people where the IT feels a little bit more relaxed. People are usually out there, sometimes with a few beverages, playing a little twilight, just trying to get a few holes in, which kind of transitions us perfectly a little bit into Bel Air Golf Park, which is what you came on to talk about with us today. 21:21 So I want you to give us a little bit of background on why you chose to talk to us about Bel Air, kind of what some of your first impressions of with the golf course. And then we can kind of talk about some reviews we've pulled on the Internet and then get into some of the tests that you can come. Past I love it. 21:37 Yes, let's do it. Where do you want to start? I've got a lot to say. I mean, I mean, I mean, what was your, what's your first impression like? What was your first experience with Bella? Yeah. Yeah. So new owners took it on in 2021, kind of the in their soft launch, like December of 2021. 21:55 And I was brought in on to cover just the socials on that January 2022. So yeah. And I would, they actually just reached out because I played there. A Co worker of mine was hired on to they moved from working at GCU with me over to to run some of the programs over at at Bel Air. 22:18 So they had mentioned it, you know, like come out and visit. So I did and I posted and then it's funny, a lot of the management teams are not on socials at all, but someone that was selling with the rebrand saw the post and said, hey, we need someone to do our socials. Actually, can you just come in for an interview? And I did. 22:33 And I was like, not only do I know my old Co worker, I know like everyone else that's here. So my first thought, I mean, was obviously the connections there. And that's very much what's valued at Bel Air is their community. A lot of great like relationships are established there and a good support in the community as a whole. 22:54 So that was the first. And then my second impression was just how much they were dedicated to improving the course. So, so much has changed. Like every month there's another some sort of project going on and improvement. The staff, it's still there from the beginning. So that core staff is still wanting to see it through and really committed. 23:13 The GM says that's where he'll retire from and he's in his 30s right now. So it's just neat to see people that are really invested. And that's, I mean, that's why I loved it so much. I've been there since, you know, January 22 and it's it's been, I couldn't imagine leaving because I just feel like it's, we're all kind of invested in seeing it become the best that it can be. 23:35 And, you know, it's not quite there yet, but it's been leaps and bounds from where it was. So yeah, that's my first impression. And that's what I hope everyone else kind of sees too, is the commitment and the community that's around that course. It's, it's always crazy how it never ceases to amaze how golf is just like the ultimate networking and how you, you hear, I feel like every week I hear about another story about somebody getting a job through posting on social media or they played at this course and they knew one person who worked there and then it turned into this job at this other place. 24:11 Like it's it, it's, it's absolutely astounding. I think. I think it's another thing that like when Sean talked about when you at 1st it's a hobby and then all of a sudden when you realize it, it can actually become a business. It's like this greater unlock for everything. Can I ask a question about Bel Air? 24:27 I, I, I get the sense from the website and reviews and photos that like, I don't know if the GM or the new ownership are going for this, but it's kind of a third place. You know, like there's the work home and then you need a third spot. 24:42 And they used to be sometimes cafes or whatever. This one feels like it's not only the course you got like more of a hangout spot. I see food trucks and the range redid and all that kind of stuff. I was just curious if like, is that the kind of vibe they're going for somewhere that you're going to extend your time at? 24:59 Yes, that makes me so happy you mentioned that because that is exactly what you know they want. They're open till 10:00 PM And so it's perfect in Arizona, First off. But yeah, and the, and it's not just like random staff there till 10:00 PM. 25:15 We have our managers there till 10:00 PM. We have people that are really invested in the, in the community there till 10:00 PM and we do a lot of community events too. So the neighborhood will just like walk over and that's kind of where we feel really proud to have the space where people want to spend, you know, their afternoons, even though they could be at home, but instead they just want to walk over and use our, you know, space for that. 25:41 So we have a lot down the line too. We, we do summer nights and night golf and things like that and trunk or treats and it's very much community oriented. But you know, for that, like music nights, you know, live music, that sort of stuff. The patio is built out for that with that in mind. Nice, I like that it. 25:59 It's interesting. It almost feels like it it it it reminds me of what I see happen at a lot of country clubs, but that you don't see a lot of public courses doing, which is naturally embracing the community that's around them, which is interesting. 26:15 You're you're starting to see more of it happen. Obviously. I think Sean, what our first episode, we covered Dobson and Dobson. Dobson's like a great blueprint for a lot of this that a lot of people take a lot of liking to in terms of it's a place that people just want to kind of go and hang out. 26:33 And I think you're going to continue to see this as golf continues to grow. I weirdly think that you'll start seeing more things like this and less things like Top Golf and pop stroke where people are actually they're not. 26:49 They're less touristy or trying to get people into golf, but they're more for like, hey, the people who love golf, like will come here already and then also your community will come here. Yeah. Also Topgolf and Pop Stroke are and others like that are cost prohibitive in my opinion. 27:07 Like the novelty wears off and then you realize that you are not getting to go around again and again. And you're not you have to extend the hours if you want to extend the hours versus like a range. It's like you want another bucket. Yeah, let's hit another bucket. Or it's something like the easier to like, you know, you're not ready to give up and be done when you finish that amount of time or that those holes. 27:30 And I feel like I haven't been to Bel Air, but Dobson is that way where if you're in the right mood and you're with the right people, you don't want it to end. If you don't have anywhere to be. You're like, hey, why don't we go putt over here, go chip over here, go hit another bucket or go have a beer. Like that natural progression through the night is something that I get the sense that you guys offer and that's really cool. 27:50 Is that I don't feel like I'm getting nickel and dimed if I decide to stay a little longer. Exactly, yeah, we wanted that space to be come over, just grab, grab a drink for 5 bucks, you know, and and have a seat and punch if you want. You don't have to even buy a bucket of balls. 28:05 And, you know, sometimes we have a wait list on the range, which there's a digital wait list, which hopefully helps a little bit with that. So you can still chip and putt and stuff until your Bay is ready. But but yeah, I mean, it's nice. Dobson has been an amazing role model and, and Bellers change and kind of rebrand and they've been so supportive along the way. 28:26 So we love the team over at Dopson. And, you know, we're, I don't get down there as much as I want to because it's a little bit of a distance, but I I love they're, they've been so helpful. And again, that just shows, I think it's top down in a lot of those cases too, you know, so the, the way the, the management and the owners treat the course and want it to be very community oriented. 28:48 It shows in both, in both courses, really. Yeah. Absolutely. OK, so we think it's good to pull in a few outside perspectives about the courses that we talk about. So we kind of go and do some reviews and reviews. We're going to pull in a five star. 29:04 We're also going to pull in a one star. And then we're going to let Mariah kind of confirm whether these statements are true. Maybe this person was just having a bad day, you know. So I'll read through these and then Mariah, you can, you know, 2nd and say Ditto. I love they touched on this point or and then we can and then we'll go to the one star after that as well. 29:24 So kicking off with the five star here. Bel Air Golf Park is one of my favorite places to play. It's a fun short course that's perfect for a quick round. Whether you're getting started or looking to sharpen your short game. The staff is always friendly and helpful, which makes the experience even better. Every time I go, the driving range is a standout feature. 29:41 I really enjoy dialing in my clubs with the ball tracking tech they have. It's a great way to get instant feedback on your swing and make adjustments. I also enjoy walking the course. I walked the back 9 yesterday and even with a slower group ahead, I finished in just one hour and 10 minutes walking solo. It's a great pace for someone looking to get in a quick relaxing round. 29:59 You're looking for a well maintained, easy going course with good vibes and a solid practice set up. Bel Air is a great spot. This guy did note on his five star review yesterday The greens were rough as they were aerating them but I was told that during booking I didn't buy. Good on him because I see far too many people complain about cart path only aerating the greens. 30:22 Like scalping the course and it's like like almost 99% of the time the information was right there on the website when you booked. Yeah, most likely. It is unfortunate. It's just one of those things we have to deal with in course maintenance and I know, but that everyone's entitled to their opinion and and so it's good to know that those courses do have maintenance happening to them. 30:47 Yeah. Did Mariah write this review? By the way, This. I know I'm like wow, I need to. You know, I feel like, yeah, I feel like every time we do one of these five star ones, it's like almost verbatim of what the person has already said about the course. 31:03 Like it's, it's crazy, but also like it, it just also shows that it's not just this person coming on gassing them up. Right. No, I mean, as this is the business's dream review right here, it like touches on all the points and it's got a story, you know, but. Yeah, that's cool. 31:19 It it, it like it. And it nags a little bit too, where it's like, well, it had this problem, but they had let me know that it was going to be a problem as well. It was. Like they have some. Yeah, they have some flaws, but they had given me ample notification about it, so they're good. Oh my. Goodness sounds. 31:35 Great. So we're going to dive into the one star here. This should be interesting. These always, these always kind of are. This used to be a great place to play, but they continue to raise prices and the experience continues to be worse and worse, $47 for Arizona summer prices. 31:52 Yet the sand traps are all dugout and completely unplayable. No one monitors the speed of play. The foursome in front of us would tee off 2 to three times per hole. Even reported it to the cart girl but never saw a Ranger. Group behind us was frustrated with speed as well and we had to talk to them because they hit us twice with balls trying to rush us. 32:11 Young teens and no Ranger leads to safety concerns. The bag stand boys pick and choose who to help slash, ignore or harass. They searched my golf bag for beer but the guy behind us brought a cooler and they loaded it without checking. They offered club cleaning to only neon or foursome. Consistency and decent customer service would make this course worth it, but pay to play at your own risk. 32:32 I will also note that I did make sure that I grabbed reviews from when the remodel went through to make sure that also it wasn't any of the old lead over because if we ever do this on must play and we dive into the history. There was quite a tumultuous period for this course in the in the 20 tents. 32:50 Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's the. Yeah, go ahead. Ryan Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Thank you. I really love this. First off, I like that we're being able to discuss both and the I'd love to talk first about the good review and then address the bad. 33:09 So the the great review. The I like that he mentioned the affordability and The Walking aspect. One thing I always see too, when I advertise, we have some green peas, especially in the summer that are down to like 8 bucks for walking. 33:25 So I'm like, you know, it's just, it's one of those things that people always are quick to be like no, it's 45. I'm like, well, OK, 45, you know, peak morning hours where it's cooler out. On a Saturday. Yeah, exactly. And then you get a cart as well. So, you know, that sort of thing is good to clarify, but for those who are really looking for budget friendly options, it is there are many deals out there that you can. 33:48 I mean, it's almost unheard of to have any around a golf for under. It's eighteen holes too. So you know, around 18 holes for under 10 bucks. Yeah, if you're willing to walk in the summer. So that is the downside. And also with the the staff, it sounds like the second review was mostly focused on staff and you know, that's it is a make and break point for for course. 34:11 You know, the PGA PGM program is we spend several sessions on customer service. So that is obviously huge. And the the management team knows that it's always a tough one. Like we we have, we give a lot of people chances and then replace if needed. 34:31 So you know, those, those reviews are really valuable to us as well as we can see who was working at the time and have those construction conversations about it. But yeah, there's been quite a bit of finding the right people for each of the roles. And then on the flip side, it's been really fun to see college students have an opportunity to learn golf and, and learn how to improve in their roles and see them grow or be placed somewhere else. 34:58 But we've had quite a few that have excelled and stayed in their roles and then now they're able to oversee their own team. And they didn't even play golf before. So it is, it's nice to give people options or opportunities, I should say, to to learn the sport and be involved in the community. 35:14 But the heart is that they do, you'll see, you know, treat obviously the customer 1st and then see the value and the vision that Beller is trying to create. So grateful for those, those reviews of all of them and know that they're they're well reviewed by our staff and management team. 35:31 So that way an owner, so that way the improvements, you know are made on each one and highlighted. But the bunkers were a big undertaking too. That was one where on Golf Now and on our website we can put alerts on. But that project was a big one. 35:49 And now we have beautiful bunkers, but we had alerts on for a long time. Like bunkers are under construction. They're going to be great. But yeah, it's, it's one, it's like kind of like a 1 bunker at a time situation. So it just takes a while. And I learned so much about redoing bunkers during that season. 36:08 But now you should come back out and see the great bunkers we have. Not as easy as it seems, right? No, yeah. Good, good to know, good to know. I'll also say, I'll say as someone who used to work with a lot of like smaller local businesses, I always preface this to businesses that like negative reviews are not the end of the world. 36:27 And to a lot of like outside eyes, it generally shows customers that you're a real business that you, you're a real person. There's there's people who run businesses and people make mistakes, right? If I came on and saw a business that had all four or five star reviews, I would probably, that's going to throw up a red flag in my brain and say what's going on here, Right. 36:53 And then also from like the business side, it gives you a ton to learn from, right? You, you sometimes there's a glaring thing that you don't even know that is affecting customers until somebody leaves a review about it and you go, wait, what are they talking about? Then you dive a little bit deeper, you learn a little bit more, and then you can improve upon it. Yeah, exactly. 37:10 Yeah. Also, I'll I'll say I don't know if this is the case, but the club cleaning part of the comment, I see this happen at clubs all the time. A certain type of customer who expects to be waited on. You know, like I paid for this tea time, I should get the customer service right? 37:28 The poor guys cleaning clubs are juggling a million jobs, and let's say that they clean clubs for three groups in a row. They got to go. They're short on carts, so they got to go run to the barn to go grab something. Well, the fourth guy comes in and he's like. 37:46 Where are they? Where is everyone? Yeah, You know, it's this guy's just running his ass off trying to, like, make this thing run smoothly. But in his little window or snapshot, he doesn't know any of that context because he didn't see any of that go down. I'm not saying that happened here, but like, I see this type of stuff and I'm like, you have to have just a little bit of, you know, empathy for essentially a staff who's trying to run something. 38:11 Yes, yeah, You never know exactly. You never know the situation, you know, that took place. And especially in the summers here too. You, you guys understand being out here in Phoenix, it gets to be like 120. And I honestly, I mean it, is it really telling that this was also in the summer 'cause I think honestly, everyone gets a little bit grumpy. 38:30 So yeah. Yeah, I was like summer, yes, we probably have a few more negative ones because it's just like you finished your round and you're just overheated and you expected someone to give you a cold water and clean your towel or your beer bag and maybe it wasn't there. So yeah, that unfortunately is sometimes just the heat. 38:48 Yeah, I tipped a bad guy before in the middle of the summer and I didn't even have him clean my clubs. I was like, hey man, you need this. And I just venmowed him 5 bucks. So I was like, you look like you're miserable out here right now. It's, it's brutal, man. It did shout out, shout out to those guys, shout out to the, to the cart barn guys in the middle of Arizona summers. 39:08 They're the, they're the real heroes to make the golf course run around. It's not, it's not the guy in the pro shop mayor who's sitting in the nice air. It is true. It's called and stuff. But yeah, very, very grateful for those reviews. And you know, I hope everyone who visits Bel Air shares their honest reviews and ways of improvement too. 39:25 And like we said, you know, it could be one off, but that was definitely a conversation that was had with the staff, you know, at the time. And and it was not a one sided like, oh, immediately they're fired by any means because again, they're invested in long term members, whether it's staff or community members who want to develop those relationships. 39:42 Yeah, yeah. All right, so we've covered the reviews. I want to take a little bit of time to let Mariah talk about 3 of the must play tests that she thinks that Bel Air will pass. But first I want to take a moment to talk about today's episode sponsor, Deveraux Golf. So yeah, just wanted to give a quick shout out to the crew over at Deveraux Golf. 40:00 They just dropped this new high country collection and from what I can tell, Sean and I both have equally been living in this since we got our hands on it. Sean, what have you been rocking with lately? 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All right, so Mariah, let's see where this course ranks on some of the must play test questions. John and I asked you to come to the table with three must play test questions that you think it's going to easily pass with flying colors. 41:11 What is the first one that you wanted to take a look at? I think the was it the Augusta test? The the Augusta test. So that is is this course easy to get a tee time on? Does it have a straightforward booking process and are there tee times available the week of intended play? 41:29 Yes, I think it gets flying colours 5 stars for the Augusta test. We have, obviously on our website we can book, but we use Golf Now as a booking platform as well. And there's options to, to, to play pretty much every day, which is great. 41:49 And with it being an executive, you can ideally get through 18 pretty quickly. Goal is, you know, you should be through by three hours. But we also highly prioritize pace of play. So we do have Rangers and Marshall that, that goes around the course most occasions, but it is a, you know, it is a beginner friendly course. 42:16 So you know, you will have some people who are beginner friendly. One thing I really harp on in my clinics is that I recommend starting 100 yards out or anything within 100 yards out in those longer holes. We have 5 par fours. I recommend turning those par fours into par threes. 42:34 And you know, so that, that's something that I think is partly etiquette. But we, we do teach B inner clinics and do free, free etiquette clinics too, to really push that pace of play. And those have been so fun to host because you get so many fun questions that from new golfers or people who don't, don't even call, they don't call themselves golfers yet, But there's they're trying to learn the sport and it's really fun to teach that. 42:58 So, so yes, Augusta Testa, I think is five stars. There's availability and you can walk in as well. But it's nice, you know, if you come in an hour before sunset, you can still try to get a nine at least. And you can't really do that in any other courses. Do you guys offer a replay rate too? 43:16 Twilight rate? Is that what you? Said replay rate. Oh, replay, you know, I'll have to get back to you on that, but I don't think so. Yeah, OK. Executive courses, that's always the like if I want a full round executive courses these days, I convince myself that is a full round. 43:34 I don't care par 5859, whatever. Like you're getting the shot value from the par fours and the par threes. But because I'm getting around it in three hours or less, Yeah. And then I've, I've pretty much booked six hours with my family to be gone. I'm always tempted to be like, should I just go around again real quick and, you know, and like get a second shot at every one of these holes? 43:55 Yeah, it's so serious. Yeah, it does happen quite a bit. But yeah, we don't have a special rate for that, unfortunately that I'm aware of. But I need to double check with the because you know things might have changed in the. Let us, let us, let us know. 44:10 We'll put it in the show notes. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. OK. What was the second test that you want to take a look at, Mariah? OK. I think the next one would be bang for your buck test, which are kind of. OK. So question 2 on our test, the is this golf course worth the rate you pay? 44:26 Do you feel like this course is a good value during peak season? Mm hmm. So yeah, I think that because it is executive, we do have reduced prices. Even though it's full eighteen holes, it also is still competitive. So pro golfers come out to play and they feel challenged by the greens and like who doesn't want more short game practice? 44:45 So I do like that we give a skins league on or just fit skins game on Wednesday. We have a league as well. But the skins game is fun because you really do challenge. You get some good golfers out there and, and you know, the greens still, still golf. It's just you, you're working on your iron play and you don't rely on having that repetition of a driver in your hand every hole. 45:07 So but yeah, bang for your buck. Like I said earlier, we have rounds lowest $8 during the the summer seasons and then peak seasons too. We have great deals. So you can find rounds for under $30 throughout the entire year. So it's fun if you still want to get practice in and get out being on play with, you know, peak season. 45:28 Highly recommend Bel Air. Check it out 'cause you'll definitely still get your practice and still get to play full eighteen holes, but don't have to spend hundreds. I did actually have a note in my brain during peak season for this golf course. 45:43 Is that obviously I live in San Diego. We have a decent amount of San Diego listeners. If you are a person who travels to the Glendale area for spring training and goes and stays out near the Peoria Sports Complex where the Padres play or where the Mariners play for some reason, you are also, we do Pacific Northwest courses as well on our podcast. 46:06 So if you go to Arizona for spring training, this course is very close to where you are today. This might actually be one of the close, like the closest course to where you're potentially staying out there. So this is all of these things that you're hearing from Mariah today. If you're someone who goes and does spring training in Arizona and happens to stay out there, go check out Bel Air. 46:27 Absolutely. It is tucked in a little neighborhood. So, you know, sometimes it's overlooked because you have to find kind of like a just a smaller road to get to the course itself. But yeah, obviously it's not that far off of the one O 1. So, you know, really close to the highway and and that Sports Complex. 46:44 But I think on both ends of it because it's really perfect when you're travelling, you can finish and like I said, three hours, ideally nine holes, even shorter. If you get the first tee time of the day, then you set the pace. Our GM has played full 18 in 45 minutes. I think we had like both cart and then we've had speak off Rob. 47:05 So Rob Hogan, the speak off old tail. Yeah, he came out and played 18 in 23 minutes running without a. Oh my God, what? Did he shoot? Do you know what he shot? He shot 2 over I think, or maybe you guys those he's so good. 47:22 It was amazing. And it was it was like during twilight. So it was, you know, so dark. We were getting him to do ready to do an event and not a glow golf event. And he came out for that glow golf event. But he's like, I'm going to go hit the course real fast. Hilarious. 47:38 He brought his his like best friend, He calls him Big Bad Bob and Bob followed him in the cart the whole time. It was just quite the scene. They looped and came through because it's, you know, the whole one, the front 9's kind of on one side and then the back nine's on another. So he's running through the crowd of people. 47:54 Everyone's cheering him on. It was a great time. So yeah, our whole one has a plaque that says speak off. Rob played this course in 23 minutes. We don't have to say you're that fast, but please keep pace of play. So it's kind of fun to lean into it, you know, we know it's an ongoing A. 48:11 Great reminder. Yeah, exactly. It's definitely an ongoing topic that we focus on is pace of play. You know, I think any course kind of struggles with keeping people on pace. But but yeah, as long as you can bring humor into it and tell people to strategize, kind of when you come out and you know, then, then you're set. 48:31 Yeah. Very cool. OK. And then what was the 3rd test that you wanted to look at today here? Yeah. OK. So the inversion test, the practice facilities and the. Yeah, the the Iverson test does this. 48:47 Does this course have good practice facilities? Would you spend time warming up or just head to the bar before the round? Now I know you said there's $5 drinks. Exactly. So it's you got to be having some pretty good practice facilities here. Definitely. They both actually. 49:04 So I want to touch on this one because it's both. We have the the shot tracing technology on the range and then there is a large chipping and putting green and then a secondary putting green too. So I think you can get there early kind of dial in your ear irons and the distances you want to hit that day and you have all the technology to help you do so. 49:25 But then there is that nice patio area. So you can, you know, get there early, enjoy it, stay after. And yeah. And for guests that are in the area too, you can get your round in quick, but then you can hang out till 10:00 PM. So it's just sometimes it's hard to find things to do in the summer, especially here. 49:43 And it's nice that, you know, we are open late. So you can just come and hang out, have a drink, putt or you can go to the range and yeah, enjoy both. And it's it's pretty fun too. We have a power T so that's kind of a newer. It's just a mat essentially, but that has a ball underneath it that comes up off the you put your balls in the ground and then they they can pop up on tee. 50:05 So just little things like that is always being improved upon on the range. And kind of, I feel like every time someone comes to visit, there's something new happening or, or something new that's been improved on. So it's kind of fun to keep bringing bringing new stuff to our guests. 50:22 Nice. The ball coming up from the mat. There's rest in peace, Cracker Jacks it was. Called. Scott TJ knows Cracker Jacks, but this this place was a driving range slash like go karts and bumper boats and everything. 50:40 But the sound of the balls rolling through the tubes and then filling is like a core childhood memory. And I forget where I was, but I heard a sound that that like sounded like that. And it took me back to Cracker Jacks as a kid. It was such a fun memory. 50:57 Fun. Yeah, this is a good spot. RIP. I know really well it's kind of in the connection to Bel Air with Cracker Jacks. I don't know if they want me saying this or not, but I mean, this of course has been very much small business from the start, you know, very family oriented the and, and a lot of family involvement as far as getting it started in the rebrand. 51:18 But the, when Cracker Jacks closed, their ranch was just like sitting there and all those golf balls were sitting there. So if, if we have a review from back in the day like 2022 about how bad the ranch balls were, they were really bad. But they were because the GM and his family and the owner went out and picked, hand picked all those balls from Cracker Jacks first. 51:39 But I mean, they had they, I don't know how much they paid. That is too funny. But that's what they couldn't get during Covad. They couldn't get golf balls in so range balls. So like, where can we? And they were driving all over the place to get. 51:54 So they got some from Cracker Jacks. I think they went out to California and another range was shut down and they picked balls from there. Wow, hey, man, whatever you got to do. Like that's the type of stuff that's like you want to talk about like pulling yourself up by the bootstraps and just like doing the actual work. 52:12 Like, yeah, there's the like, you know, there's the, oh, we can just pay like a ridiculous amount or we can just go and try and do whatever we can possibly do to get. That's awesome. Though that's that's funny that I brought that up and there's a connection. I'm glad, yeah. 52:27 There, Yeah. Water. Straight water like. Box I had one other question for you real quick. So since you're better at golf than us and you were a college golfer, we just. Know if I'm better? We'll have to find out. I think we'll play Bellerin team. Yeah, you're, you're definitely better than you're. 52:44 Probably better and more disciplined. If you had a bucket of 20 balls and you're warming up before the round, how are you using those 20 balls? Yeah, so let's see 20. I'll probably start with my like 56 just to kind of get loosened up, hit just a couple, then switch right to my 7:00 or 8:00 depending on the day the the range. 53:09 I want to keep happy vibes. So my 8 is my favorite club. My 7 sometimes can get squirrelly, so it just depends on if I want to deal with it or not. It just sounds so funny. I shouldn't have that opinion about them, but that's kind of that's always been. A thing we all do though, yeah. It's but it's horrible. It's really not good the mental game. 53:26 But yeah, 8 iron is a happy place. So I just, I'll probably hit the 8 iron. So I feel good dial in that distance depending on where I'm at with I'm hitting off of mats like Bel Air, for example, there are mats there. So I take that into account and I take the distance with like a grain of salt. You know, I think right good. 53:42 I recommend any, any golfer to like take notes every time they go to a different range because the range balls change like Dobson has flighted balls. So they're not going to go as far as what you would see with your, you know, your standard golf balls in your bag. So yeah, just kind of get a general idea on how far it's going that day and what direction it might be going. 54:03 And then, yeah, I'll, I'll jump up into hitting a few, just a couple hybrids and then a couple woods, 'cause I feel like there's such a difference in those. And I hate to pull out my, my 3 wood for the first time on the golf course. And then I like to hit a lot of drivers. 54:18 So I probably see what's left, hit drivers. So I'm happy and then finish with a couple like pitch shots, you know, 50 yards or so. OK. Pitch shift shots, I should say. Yeah, 50 to 100 yards. I get that. It's hard when there's only like a small bucket or or maybe you're crunched on time, right? 54:36 Now. Yeah, I, I, I have a very similar progression to you where I start with the wedge, I work to the driver and then I end with the wedge because I, I don't want to end with swinging out of my shoes or something like that right before. Exactly. But I've noticed in the past that when I have more time or I have a medium bucket, that that same progression actually is harming me more than it's helping me because I'm like building up to the longer swings. 55:07 And then come time for the hole you're going, you're making a bigger gap in clubs between the shots. So. For the small bucket, it's good to like actually limber up and loosen up and hit the progression, but in the medium buckets or whatnot. I was talking with an instructor at another course and he had me do something different where he was like pretend you're on some of these holes, like what are the first three holes of the course and it's a par 4PAR4PAR5. 55:32 He's like play the holes. So I started driver, which I never start driver at a range. That's like a big no for me. I was like no, just do it. And I hit an OK driver. But then that one swing got me loosened up. So then I had like I think A7 iron left and I hit like one of the best 7 irons off the range and then I hit and then the par four came next. 55:53 So I hit driver again and that next driver swing was like dialed and I don't know if it worked better for me or and I don't remember, but I just remember the confidence level I had was through the roof on that range session. And so. I've tried to start doing that more often, but when it's only 20 balls, it's really hard to convince myself to go do that because I'm like, I'm wasting this. 56:13 Like if it doesn't go well, I don't have that many left and I I go back to the other thing. That's. True, try being Try being a bad inconsistent golfer and only having 20 balls to. Hit just trying to find the. Face Oh my God, just being like, all right, like I always know that like literally I'm the opposite of you guys where like the last ball I hit is always my last good driver. 56:36 And if you start to get down to like the last five balls in the bucket and you're still not hitting a good driver and you're like, oh, no, like I'm going to leave myself. Like I could I could walk out on the golf course. Just an absolute shamble. You know. But that's that's for me and my therapist to. 56:52 Talk about out here on this. Podcast. Oh, I really like that. I mean, that goes back to visualizing, right? Like you're already starting to hear 100% in the right place. Yeah, that that's good. I mean, and I like that perspective of like, you know, instead of using that bucket and the warm up time on the range before you round to just get loosened up, like use it more efficiently. 57:10 Like you can get loosened up by doing air swings and stretching, you know, instead of using the for that, yeah. We, we, Sean and I have a buddy who will be very early to a round and not swing a a single club for 45 minutes. 57:26 He will stand around, he'll get a cocktail, he'll stretch. He'll he'll talk shit to everybody. Will not swing a club. He'll maybe. Punch he He just did this last week with Jones. Both of them showed up 5 minutes before a round at Presidio Golf Course, and it was foggy and cold and wet. 57:43 They didn't swing a single club. And I looked at our fourth, who I knew, and I was like, that's a mistake. They're going to pay that off. Sure enough, First all, it didn't work out before. Oh, no, yeah. Then that see how it makes us feel a little better when they actually don't. 58:00 Yeah, they are sure, right. I hate that that makes us so happy, Yeah. All right, before we close out here, I had a few fun facts about Bel Air. Mariah, you had talked on one where it reopened to the public in 2021 after being sold at auction, which is crazy to think that a golf course was in a state to be auctioned off in 2021 when golf was surging. 58:32 So that's, that's an interesting note. The other one here was that it was originally built as, as a part of Glendale's first master planned community, a thing that we have come to know as, as Phoenicians and as Arizonans. And they, they were enticing people to quote UN quote live on the course. 58:51 That was the that was the allure of going to live at the Bel Air community, which is obviously now a massive trend that you saw spread throughout all of like Phoenix's northwestern exposure and throughout the rest of the state, obviously as north Scottsdale ballooned up and now you have houses. 59:10 All. All along every golf course in North Scottsdale. That's true. So yeah. Yeah, no fun, definitely fun facts. The course has quite a bit of history, I feel like for just being, you know, built in the 70's the because of the community involvement. 59:27 And there is an HOA that we partner with, you know, quite a bit for community events or just, you know, they, they put all of our events in their newsletter. And so it's fun, you know, we work really well with the community and, and want to, to continue to have a good relationship there. 59:45 But but yeah. And that, that's part of the history of the course too. When it was shut down, there was a lot of community members came in before the current owner, but it came in and wanted to try to restore the course and put a lot of Labor and volunteer hours into it. So that, I mean, that's part of the history that we don't want to overlook and we want to give back to the community as much as possible. 1:00:04 Cause a lot of people put, you know, their sweat into it and it was kind of an emotional, it sounds like emotional time to have that course for auction too. So the owner knows that it was a really valuable place for the community and and definitely gives back as much as as they can, listens to every member that has, you know, concerns too. 1:00:28 But yeah, I mean, what a crazy time to buy a course. It's kind of like everyone's dream. But then also, you know, the situation wasn't the best either. So there's a lot you you did a lot of a lot of work or bought a lot of work. But also it's like kind of like everyone's like dream. 1:00:43 Like, Oh my gosh, can you buy a golf course at auction? Like what you know, can you get a good deal on? There's a, there's a driving range out here in San Diego that I just like if it ever for some reason goes up, I'm contacting every content creator and every small business owner and golfer that I know in San Diego and being like, we can fix this thing. 1:01:04 Like I know we can fix this thing. And I don't think it ever will be because I think it does well where it's at, but it could be so much better. So it's good to see or that it's good to hear that they took this, embraced it, and it sounds like it's absolutely flourishing. 1:01:20 Right now and thriving. Yeah, always more to come, always trying to, you know, what's unique about Bel Air is that it's small enough and so managed in a way that is so close to home. I should say that the we're able to do a lot, for example, when it comes to content creation too. 1:01:41 We are very open to having content creators on the course and there's spaces. I mean, the benefit of my experience in that is that I know how to do the content creation without slowing down pace of play, because that's always an issue, right. But there are spaces on the course that have a course in the background where you can still film and not interrupt the pace of play or be, you know, that's good, yeah. 1:02:05 Or even be playing. So for example, we had last year, we had a crew come out and spend 24 hours on the course, which is like kind of unheard of. They kicked out and it's just nice to have a space that we allow for that, you know, and we help coordinate it. And so I'm proud to be a part of a place that's open to doing things like that. 1:02:23 And and that's, you know, the benefit of having, I think a smaller executive course too. Where did they sleep? Yeah, and. It's a big question right behind the pro shop. And we told the neighbors and we told the alarm system because that's another thing. 1:02:39 And we obviously had to turn off the sprinklers. But you know, basically I was like, if any cops show up, like, don't call me. Wow, these are GMs not. Gonna imagine explaining to the cops. I promise this is not a. I'm not just. Yeah. I'm not trespassing the filming content. 1:02:58 Yeah, it was. Quite so, yeah. So fingers crossed. Ultimately, our goal with all of our level select podcasts is to eventually come out, hopefully get to play the course, preferably with you, and then we can have you come back on. We can rate the podcast and put it through the full must play test. 1:03:16 But again, I want to thank you so much for hopping on with us. It was obviously great to chat. Bel Air, I want to leave a spot here for you to kind of promote whatever else you've got going on. I know you talked about being on in front of the camera during the grass clippings open coming up in December, but anything else you got coming up that you want to plug, Mariah? 1:03:35 Yeah, so I'm actually leaving this weekend for the 100 hole hike. So that benefits Youthon course and Youthon course. We partner with the Bel Air as well. They offer children 18 and under, individuals 18 and under, I should say, and Browns a golf for $5 or less in some cases. 1:03:53 So definitely a program we want to support, but I'm excited to to head out and do a fundraiser event in California for that. So that's coming off. And I just always try to post, like I said, educational stuff best I can. So very active on the online community, whether it's the Bel Air page or am I miss White golf page. 1:04:11 I want to hear what people want to see and any questions in that in that area too. So you'd love to share that. And I think one final plug would be Bel Air does, you mentioned globe off. So even as our season people come in and visiting stuff, I, I always love to put a bug in people's ear that we love to do private globe off events. 1:04:33 So it's only like 3 brands and you can divide that up against your, you know, both all the players involved, but to host a private globe off event. So if you have a group coming out will help promote it too. So if you only have, you know, 30 people to fill, we can help with trying to get the extra filled. 1:04:51 But I think it's a really unique opportunity to, to play something kind of that's a novelty and, and glove off. And the fact that we can do it for your private, you know, event or business is is kind of always a fun aspect to to kind of throw out there. 1:05:08 Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. Awesome. Well, I want to thank you so much. Again, I want to remind everybody at home, if you're watching on YouTube, don't forget to like subscribe, give us a comment, jump in there. And if you're watching on any of our podcast platforms, Spotify, Apple Music, don't forget to rate Must Play 5 Stars and give us a follow. 1:05:28 Ryan, thank you again so much for hopping on. We appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me, I really enjoyed the conversation and the questions and looking forward to our round. © 2025 Spotify AB Legal Privacy Cookies