0:10 Hey guys, thanks for joining Must Play. We have an awesome level select episode for you today with Derek Thomas, better known as Monterey Golf Guy on Instagram and TikTok. Derek walks us through one of the most hype 9 hole golf courses in the nation, Northwood up near Santa Rosa, CA TJ gives us a little trivia on the course, walks us through some five star and one star reviews and as always asked Derek which three must play test questions he thinks Northwood would pass with flying colors. 0:33 Let us know if you agree and enjoy the pod. Derek, welcome to Level Select. We are so excited to have you on today. Pumped to be here. Thank you guys for having me. Yeah, I think it's a conversation that we've been looking forward to for some time. I know for Sean and I, we're, we're pretty blind when it comes to Northern California golf. 0:52 So I think bringing in someone who is an expert, you know, they're, they're they're willing to put the word Monterey in their Instagram and TikTok handle. I think I I couldn't think of anyone better to have come on and chat. Well, I appreciate it and I'll probably yell that for for people calling Monterey Northern California, that's usually a thing that people will get triggering moment. 1:13 But I grew up in the Bay Area. That's where I spent the majority of my young life. So yeah, like I've played a lot of the courses. I love it. It's fucking great. So yeah, get into it. Do you agree with the name expert that he just dropped? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. To be honest, when I first grabbed the name, it was just like, what do you name a golf account? 1:32 And I was like, I live in Monterey, I like golfing, I'm a guy, so let's just run with it. There you go. Perfect. I think far too many times as golfers we sell ourselves short and not actually talk about how good we are, how we are only bad at golf. I think the same thing comes when so you're talking to somebody and refer to them as an expert. 1:49 They would never see themselves as an expert because there's still so much more to learn. But from the outsiders perspective, they might be the expert on that topic. Yeah, I mean, that's that's very, very nicely put. I still am not going to admit it. That's fair, that's fair. So before we jump into Northwood and talk about you and Twilight Social Club, I just want to take a quick moment and thank today's sponsor Bird Darts for sponsoring the pod. 2:15 Today's episode of Must Play is sponsored by Bird Darts Premium Golf Tees. Nothing relaxes me more on the course than tear and open a box and RIP in a few bird darts with the boys. The 100% Bamboo Golf Tees feature a clean design with marks to help you tee up your shots consistently. So your only swing thought is worrying about the cart girl who's watching you. 2:33 You can also use bird darts without worrying about harming the environment. They're biodegradable and the packaging is made from recycled materials. Head over to their website, birddarts.com and use code fair wagers for 10% off today. Check out their new 4 packs they just dropped for you and all your boys. All right, so Derek, let's talk about how we got to today, how we got to Monterey Golf guy, Twilight Social Club. 2:55 How do you find golf? I know you and I chatted a little bit before the pod and we talked about how you're a former baseball guy, but how? How do you end up here? How do you end up as Monterey golf guy? Man, So I mean, how far can we go back? I mean, I've been around golf for most of my life. My dad's a really good golfer. 3:13 He's still, I think he'll tell you he's like A5 handicap, but he'll play to like a two or three. Like I've only beat him three times my entire life, but he can still play. We grew up on like a little golf course out and on the Delta kind of like just east of the Bay Area growing up. 3:30 So it's it was always around, didn't really like it growing up because it was so hard. And I've always just been like, I like things that come naturally. I like things that are that I'm good at. So, but it was always there. Played baseball in college, all that kind of stuff. And then once that was over, because I had dreams of being the guy, you know, playing for the San Francisco Giants, all that kind of stuff. 3:51 Once that was done, I was like, I, I was missing that competitive feel, right? Like that's how I, that's, that was where my like self worth came from, right? It was like competing, winning, all that kind of stuff. And then it just gets wiped away and I need something to fill that void. 4:07 And that's when I dove like head first in the golf. And thankfully, like all of my buddies that I'd grown up with, we had all played sports, we all had that similar like we need something to talk shit over. We need something to compete against each other with. And golf just perfectly slid right in. And so I would say, you know, I'm 38 now. 4:24 I ended college around 2122. So like 1516 years just been like a die hard sicko golfer. So yeah, I mean, that's kind of where it was. And then to answer your question, how Monterey golf guys started, I work in the agency world, like my wife and I own a creative agency, pays the bills. 4:43 It's good, we love it. But I was kind of missing. So I, I felt like creatively stunted, right? Like I was like, all I'd do is just work hard for other people. And I needed something to like reinvigorate me. And so one day I woke up early, played Pacific Grove Golf Links and I filmed every single hole. 5:03 And I started posting like little hole vlogs, like I think it was did like three holes at a time. Yep. And in in no way did it take off, but it was like, oh, like I could do it right. I'd never made videos before, never done any real like posting consistently. 5:18 And I just did it and was like, why don't we just like do this? It's fun and be terrible happens. And that's just what we did. Yeah, it definitely, it definitely scratches that small little like creative outlet and learning like editing as you go along where you start to pick up little tips and tricks or what does work, what doesn't work. 5:37 It it's super, super satisfying as you go on. I know that's not. When you realize that it's not like I I wasn't the creative kid growing up, so it felt very daunting. Yeah. Like I was not like a painter. I wasn't doing art. I was just like, sports, sports, sports, right. And so the idea of making videos was very overwhelming and it was scary, to be frank. 5:57 And then you start getting into cap cut or TikTok or whatever it is you're using to edit and you're like, they make this pretty easy. And don't get me wrong, like making a great video versus making a video is very different. But like the entry is not as. Complicated as people think it is, not at all, not at all. 6:13 It used to be so much more worse to try and cobble together a few different shots of a video into something feasible and now it's like oh man, I can do. You can film, edit and post if you really want to a a decent decently good piece of content. Like less than 30 minutes, which is 0. 6:29 Some of my best videos take like 6 minutes to make, like film, edit, post like the ones I spend the most time on. Those are flops. Always flops. That's the general rule, right? The, the, it's a, it's a inverse proportional scale. The more time I put into it, the worse it does and the less time I put into it, the better it does. 6:46 It's go ahead. Try. I have a question for you. We have a lot of former baseball players on this pod randomly, and I am one myself. Do you have a superstition on the course? Because I know a lot of baseball players have some superstitions out on the OH. I have too many. Yeah, the SO glove always in the left front pocket. 7:07 I'm not a back pocket guy. Whoa, I know weird, right? That's 1-2 TS and a ball mark and a divot fixer in the right front pocket. And then depending on what's working that day, like if we're walking to the green with our putters, we always start with the head cover getting dropped on the green, not in the cart, not on the way to the green on the green. 7:32 And if we start making putts, it'll stay there. If we miss putts, then it gets put in the rough. And then if you keep missing it, I'm a sicko, dude. Like it's crazy. No, dude, I'm the same. I know it and I, it's hard to explain to people who didn't play baseball, but like that's just a thing when you're in a slump or whatever. I had like my game day sliding shorts. 7:49 I had game. I, I was weird dude. I have all that. Stuff. Yeah, yeah, the. The interesting one has been like how deep some people's golf sicko like stipulations, not stipulations. What's what is the word you just said superstitions, superstitions. 8:06 Jesus go like I know Blake, who we've had on the podcast multiple times. One of my buddies from work is like the same way. Like he's like two TS from Bay Hill in my pocket, my grandpa's silver dollar and an extra ball always in my right pocket. 8:22 Like he's very similar to like what you have the the head cover one is 1 that I have. I have not heard Sean. Would you care to? I know Sean and I have had clips where we've talked about if you're playing well and you're wearing a hoodie, but the weather heats up, you leave the hoodie on. 8:38 Or if you're playing well and it gets really cold and you weren't wearing a hoodie, you're not going to put your hoodie on. You're going to stay in your polo, Sean. And you got any other any other weird ones that you might want to divulge while we're here? Mine are all about how I feel, so like the something in my pocket doesn't really do anything for me but like how my shoes feel on my feet, like if they're too tight or too loose or whatever. 8:59 So like I've convinced myself and my brain that my superstitions are legitimate versus like a superstition. And so I'll be like, well, yeah, of course I wouldn't take something off once I'm playing good, even if it's too hot because it affects my swing path or my shoes are a little too tight. 9:15 But man, I'm making great contact and I feel like I'm pushing off the ground. I'm going to keep them tight even though it's uncomfortable and the. Justifications we make are insane. Dude, I convinced myself they're legit, but they're not. No, but it but it plays right. It's like all that you're trying to do is just feel more comfortable over your golf shot, right? 9:33 Like I'm convinced that 90% of golf is just like feeling confident over that shot. And if some weird thing with your, the way your shoes are fitting that day is helping, it's working. But the weird part is when the other thing happens, and, you know, maybe like, this happens to me every once in a while, I'll walk up to the tee and I'll be like, shit, I I broke my T on the last hole. 9:53 Now I only have one T in my pocket. And now I'm thinking about it like there's nothing, nothing's changed. But something came into my brain and said, this is different than before. And then who knows what's going to happen? Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, I think no, no, no, I think, I think you're absolutely right. 10:14 Where like there's nothing worse than standing over the ball and being like, oh, I, I skipped over this part of my routine. And then you have to like step off of a ball and then you're thinking about the fact that you already stood over a ball and stepped off the ball. I'm in. I'm an absolute nut case on. Of course, I have not figured out the mental aspect yet. 10:31 So there's a lot of those doubts that creep into my mind when hitting. It's non-stop, it's every single round there's something different. And that's probably 1 of the main reasons why I love the game is that you're just consistently battling with your own self over the dumbest things, the things that no one should think about, but we're just sitting there rattling our brain over nothing, basically. 10:51 The tinkering. There's so many tinkering. And it's and it's super relatable. And if we tie it back to like your account, Monterey Golf guy, you've done a really good job of kind of blending relatable golf feelings that everybody's got you. You've merged a little bit of your own personal style in there as well as your ability to tell a great story. 11:10 But if there's somebody out there at home who does not know who you are, if you can distill your brand voice down to 1 sentence, what would that one sentence be? What are you going to go? With so being a good storyteller like this is the side that I'm really bad at, you know, this whole. 11:28 Elevator bitch. Yes, I would say like, I'm just about making golf less stuffy. Like that's all I really care about. Like, it's nice talking about golf and making it so more inviting for more people to play, you know? 11:45 I, I love that because I think that's where a lot of good and great golf social media accounts come from is the position of like, we're going to talk about stuff and we're going to do things. But I think ultimately our goal is we don't care what you do out on the golf course or how you do it. 12:01 We just want more people playing golf. Like, yeah, we, we want to make the game just I want. Everyone to come. Sorry, keep going. Oh, you're good, you're good. It's just we, we want everybody to enjoy it. Like whether you're good, bad, I won't say fast or slow because that's a different story altogether. 12:18 But I was going to say I everyone can come to the course. Just play fast. I don't care and, and that's the only thing that matters. Just play fast, that's all. I don't know if you intend this, but I think the maybe one of the side effects of that brand voice is your vibes are just good. 12:35 I, I watch your stuff and, and it's very calming and like I want to hang. And then when you posted that thing about the golf trip you got, you're organizing where you like took care of a bunch of the stuff. I was like, Oh my God, this guy's got like my number. 12:50 Like give me someone who's organized and is just a good hang. And that's like the perfect person to invite to a trip or have host the trip. Well, I appreciate that and I'm not that organized. So that's, that's one thing that I'm glad that comes off. But like, frankly, without my wife, like she saves my life all the time with when it comes to organization. 13:10 Yeah. But yeah, all I want to do is just like have create cool experiences, you know, like we all as golfers, like we, there's countless viral videos about this where it's like every golf group needs the organizer, right? Where it's like they're going to set up tee times, they're going to set up golf trips, whatever that is. 13:28 And I have one in my group, but he's got two kids now and he's a football coach. So he's slammed. And I'm I'm the one guy that's like an entrepreneur. I kind of make my own schedule. And so I basically just got sick and tired of waiting for someone to organize fun shit. And I was like, maybe this is what I have to do if I want to do it. 13:46 Like, let's do it and I'll just sell tickets to it. So that's kind of where we what got us to this next thing that Twilight's doing. Yeah, I mean, that's actually a perfect segue. Literally the next question that I had for you was talking about Twilight Social Club. Give the people at home a little spiel. 14:03 They're probably not in your area, but they're probably going to enjoy and say, hey, I love what he's doing. I I want to do something like this near me. But like, what's what? What do you got going on there? What? Obviously Sean talked about the golf trip, your first golf trip that you're planning with everyone. Tell us more about all that. So Twilight Social Club is a club I started back in like April of last year. 14:23 So we're like 18 months in, something like that. And it all started because when I moved to Monterey, I didn't know anybody, right? I moved here in 2121, played a lot of golf, played a lot of golf solo. And this is before content, before any of that. And so I started posting content and I was still playing alone, would get invites here and there. 14:44 But yeah, basically it was like, how can I meet more people? And the more people I met on the peninsula here, a lot of lot of them are transplants. Like not a lot of people who are here are from here. And so I felt like a lot of people were in a similar boat. And when the accounts started to grow, I was like, why don't we just do a meet up? 15:02 And we started doing meet ups. We did 5 meet ups last year at a local golf course and I've met this is like an incredible group of people, you know, anywhere, ranging anywhere from like 22 to 45. And it's just this perfect vibe of people where they loved golf, they were obsessed about it, but they didn't take it too seriously. 15:20 And they also like had interesting style, which I've always cared about. Like I love dressing and loving the way that I feel and look and all that kind of stuff. And so it all just kind of came together. And so it morphed from golf meet ups to we did tournaments earlier this year, we did a Ryder Cup in March and we did a, we called it the Cypress Open. 15:38 It was a two man scramble or sorry, two man basketball back in June. And I basically was like, what's next? And going back to what we were just talking about, I was like, I want to do a golf trip. Why don't we just do a golf trip and make it like a 20 man trip down to Paso Robles. 15:54 So that's happening next month. That's so sick. That's cool. Yeah, oh, so cool. It's been a fun journey you. Already know the courses you're playing down there. Yeah. So we're playing Hunter Ranch, which is insane course, really, really good, really tight, really firm and fast. And then we are playing another course about 10 miles South of Paso Robles called Chalk Mountain, where I just did a trip down there a month ago. 16:15 I shot my career low one under so it has a special spot in my heart. Damn. When you're when you're booking golf courses for whether it be twilight social or for this first, this first golf trip that you've got going on, what are like factors that you try and think of like what are you looking at at a golf course as like a yes, the golf course that we book needs to have that type of thing for these kinds of. 16:38 Things I'm always looking at, well, one, I'm trying to get a relationship going with the course. So my first instinct is like, are these people open to even having a conversation, right? Because like we're promoting these courses while we're while we're doing these things. And I think a lot of golf courses have gotten complacent. 16:55 They don't care about any of this stuff. And so if they're not at all interested, I typically move on, typically go somewhere else because I want this to be kind of this two way thing because a lot of work we put into it. And so that's 1/2. I want there to be kind of a, a decent area for warming up and practicing because there's guys that take this stuff seriously and want to play well and want to have a good time. 17:17 So it's got to have a decent range, maybe a place to grab a beer. But mainly it's just I want the course to set up well for all skill sets, you know, whether you're a scratch, whether you're a 20. Because we invite everybody like it's, it's not about like, hey, this is a group of sticks and we go out and we're all breaking 80. 17:33 No, I can shoot 85, I can shoot 71. We have guys that can shoot 110 or can shoot an 85. So it's like I want it to match everybody's skill level and I'll be able to have a good time. I don't know if TJ set you up or not but you just name like 4 questions over must play test right there so. 17:50 Yeah, yeah. It it was a little bit of a Segway to get into us, to start to talk about Northwood a little bit. How about the? No, no, no. You're. No, no, no, that's validation for our test is what I'm saying. Like we we come up with questions that are like that. You know, you're taking group of guys or you're going to visit, like what matters to you? 18:08 And it's more than just the course, right? Practice the beers, the vibes. It's fair to handicaps, that kind of stuff. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So then. So then let's kind of move into into Northwood a little bit. I think the main, the main course of today's meal one hour north of San Francisco, I believe, Sean, it's Monte Rio is where it's located. 18:27 Is that what you said? Monorio. Monorio. Yeah, Either way, I digress. I'm not from the area. I'm not. It's not on mine to get right. It's on someone else to correct me. So Derek, tell us about why you love this course, why you wanted to come and pitch us on it as a as a must play test. 18:45 I also think that Sean will probably chime in here. Sean, you've actually played this course as well, right? Yeah, and I can't wait to talk about it until after him because I'm going to Derek everything he says. Yeah. So, Derek. Lean into it. Tell us about everything. We'll we'll jump into what questions on the must play test. 19:00 It passes later, but give us, you know, kind of your first impressions, maybe how you discovered the course and, and, and what it's like. OK, so I discovered it because I had a friend that played it probably 10 years ago. And he was kind of telling me about how this is a it's a different experience than any other golf course you'd ever done right or ever played. 19:20 And that's kind of the best way that I was thinking about how to, to break it down was like, there's no other course that I've ever played that's anything like it. You you pull up and before you get there, you're going, how is there a golf course here? Because you're just in the thick of the redwoods. 19:36 And these are not like 50 foot redwoods. These are like 203 hundred foot redwoods. And it's it's just, it's a different planet out there. And and then you start to go down like the lower side of it where it's like an Alistair McKenzie course. And you know, he did Cypress Point, he did Pasta tiempo, he did Augusta National. 19:54 And you're like, oh, wow, like what is this place? And then you're like booking tee times. You're like, it's only 50 bucks. You're like, wow, like what is this? And then you arrive and again, you're just like overtaken by these massive Redwood trees and. 20:10 It's not even that the course is in like the most pure shape of any course or there's, there's nothing that's like a 10 out of 10, but as it all blends together, it is a 10 out of 10. And the fact that it's like a just a nine hole golf course makes it that much better. Like it's just, it's, there's something about it. 20:27 It's very hard to like pinpoint. When you go, do you usually play it twice? Do you do the loop? The only times I've played, I've only played it twice because it's it's 4-5 hours away from me. But I want to talk about it because it's so different. But I've only done it the only times I've played it. I've played nine holes. 20:43 So it was just like a very quick, I did it once with buddies and I did it once with my wife, our buddy and his wife and their kid. So it's like 2 very different rounds and but still the most enjoyable rounds on both sides. That's cool, Sean. 21:00 You want to talk about? You want to talk about your experience? Yeah, I mean, I'll echo what you just said. I cannot understate what he just said about you pull up and what that feels like. It's like you go to summer camp and you see the lodge and smoke coming out of the chimney and the redwoods are there. 21:17 You just pass through Gernville and like all the forests and you're like, like you just said, there's a course here and then you get out and it's somehow popular and busy and like locals are just relaxing. When we went, the sun was coming through the trees around like 4:00 PM and it was just gorgeous. 21:34 You know, like when the light filters through the trees and you can see like bugs and stuff. It was like that. I was like, what the hell is this place? It was so magical. And we walked in and got drinks from the restaurant, which I think it's just called Northwoods. Northwood. And the people there were like the coolest, like out of a movie local, like they don't give a shit about you, but it's endearing. 21:55 And they're like, what do you want? You know, you're like, Oh my God, I, I want to. When we finish our round, we talked about it. We're like, we're coming back here and we're just going to post up and have a drink. And then spoiler, we didn't because after we finished nine, there's that little hill behind the green and we saw chairs up there. 22:11 And I was like, never mind, scratch that. We're going there. Yeah, and we had drinks and sat and watched groups come in and I, I was so at peace with the whole thing. I'll talk more about the rest of the day in a second, but yeah, it was incredible. There's something special about it, like you were talking about how the people up there just different like Gernville and Montorio, it's not a popular area, you know, like there's not a whole lot going on. 22:37 And so it's not your typical golf course, you know, like I when I did it couple years ago, it was like a window that like slid open and you're like paid. And so it's not like you walk into this amazing pro shop and it's like, it's not ten out of 10 amenities. 22:53 It's just like, hey, man, like pay your 35 bucks and like, get out of here and go play. Yeah. And then you just like, I remember the first hole is kind of like just like this open whatever you got trees, but it's like very open and very inviting. It's like a handshake, 1st hole, right? And then the second one you're like, holy shit, like what is this? 23:11 And like I would say that the holes are probably, if you remove the trees, the course would be pretty easy. But because the trees are so big, it's so intimidating. It dictates like, yeah, you're like every, it looks like you have nowhere to go, you know, and just looks so tight and it's, it's only like 2800 yards or something like that. 23:30 It's not crazy long, but it's terrifying. Like a lot of the tee shots are scary as hell. Yeah, and you could probably vouch for this too, but out of any course I've played in my life, this one sounded the coolest. When you hit a shot, the echo you get off the trees. 23:47 I'm going to put clips in this pod when it comes out because I have clips of Jonesy hitting drives and it's just making the coolest sound off the off the woods. And he hits one and he goes whoa. 24:04 Like I know that was insane. It's wild. It's a special, special place. Does it, when you guys were talking about the like paying just through, like the little window, does it almost feel like you get transported back into like how golf potentially used to be? 24:24 Like probably back in like the 50s or 60s where it wasn't like this grandiose production. It was kind of like you just showed up with your clubs, you threw somebody the money to play or you put money in a box and you just teed off. If to me it feels like what golf should be, where it's like there, there aren't these like investment firms and management companies like all coming in and going like how do we make more money here? 24:47 It's just like, no, dude, this place is cool. It's like we make a little profit, but like 50 bucks, like just give me your money and like do your thing. Like that's what it feels. Like it felt more reminiscent TJ of a Snack Shack at a Little League game versus of a grand production. And that Snack Shack hits, you know, like in your memory as a kid. 25:06 Everything from that Snapchat was incredible. The the the best hot dog you've had, the best snow cone you've ever had. The candies just out on the counter, you grab it and you just tell them like what you grabbed and you put the money down on the IT literally was inside this pro shop. The candy was on the counter right next to the register. I remember grabbing his Snickers. 25:23 I love it, incredible. I love it. So obviously you guys are gushing a lot, but we like to talk about some outsiders perspectives here. We like to usually go out, grab a A5 star review as well as a one star review and just get some alternative perspectives and then maybe reinforce what you guys have talked about saying that these aren't just your guys's personal experiences. 25:43 So we'll lead off with the good review. Derek, I'm, I'm sure this would be very similar to probably what both of you have said, but I, I'm more anxious to have you hear the one star review and maybe rebuttal a little bit probably from both of you in this instance where. I'm trying to figure out like how you can write a one star review. 26:02 So I what was really funny was that Sean had mentioned that he loved the people inside the restaurant. There's a lot of negative reviews about the restaurant. I will say I had this note saved for the end of reviews. I will lead off right here. 26:17 Go read reviews about this golf course on Google because the owner of the golf course is responding to like every positive every negative and they are not templated copy paste reviews. He is responding to all of these like verbatim and like trying to right wrongs. 26:37 Telling people that the restaurant is owned by somebody else and not by the golf course so that they should be removing their one star review from the golf course because they had a bad experience at the restaurant. So there's a few things in here about the bad review where we can kind of, I'm interested to hear what you guys have to say in in rebuttal to it, but we'll lead off with the five star. 27:00 And this is I I love this because they also painted the scene here really well. So I love I love immersing myself in these reviews when I can. Thanksgiving Eve, the weather was perfect after a week of constant rain. So I drove up from San Francisco on a whim. No reservation. 27:16 Greenfee includes a course guide. Canned beers are available at the restaurant. Walked up with my pole cart and got paired up with a friendly twosome who just picked up golf in 2024. Teed off at 3:00 PM and was just too dark to complete the 9th hole at 5:15 PM. Really enjoyed walking the course here but it is narrow. 27:35 Only one hole where I hit driver #9 and I hit it. Left OB but found my ball and played my provisional with a 2 stroke penalty. Hit my 5 wood once on number 6. Maybe next time I will leave the woods at home and just bring irons and my putter. Teed off using my 4 iron most of the day. 27:53 Trying to draw our fate as necessary and keep the ball low and under the forest canopy. I saw a few balls that had become stuck in the tree branches above the Heaven must rain golf balls when it's windy there. Only my first time playing but I distinctly remember each of the nine holes already. 28:09 Can't wait to go back again. I mean, I, I respect the effort into this this whole review, like you really care. I, I love when I love when somebody takes the time to like, like I said, paint the picture, make the setting, make you really feel like you're you're there with them and you kind of get a good between your guys's chat and then what they've said. 28:30 I have a phenomenal visual of of what I think the courses is like and can only think about how much of a nightmare it would be to play for myself. Well, I think he nailed it though. He talks about how leave your driver at home. You definitely don't need to bring it. Like it's not, it's not overly long. 28:47 Like I think I was hitting three wood and hybrid or something the majority of the time. But you can get away with, you know, if you could hit a 5 iron 200 yards, like you can just play 5 iron off the tee if you wanted to. And I was actually reading up because when you're asking these questions, I was like, let me do a little research on Alistair McKenzie and that kind of stuff. 29:02 And he talks about how he's all about strategy over length. And so I think this plays right into it because a lot of I, I remember there being shots where you want to land it short because it's going to funnel this way and funnel that way. So there's a lot of ways that you could play this course with just your irons, which I love. 29:20 Like I think there's something fun about like we, we have a group, our twilight group, we've done like 4 club challenges. We'll do like 7 club challenges. We'll do all these things where it's like leave clubs at home. Like you don't need it all. Let's just see what we can do with a minimize golf set. Yeah, I, I think about it for out here in Southern California, we have Goat Hill where you can go out and play Goat Hill and you do not need to hit driver at all that day if you don't want to. 29:46 And there's the they play where, where length to reinforce where length is not necessary. Their course record is only available to be contended for with Persimmon Woods. So you can't, you can't break the course record if you're hitting, you know, a modern day driver out there. 30:05 At all so. Yeah. And also, there's nowhere to go over any tree in this course. You, you can't. Even if you wanted to hit a ball over a tree, you couldn't just imagine a video game with the out of bounds, invisible walls that go straight up from the edges of the fairway at the hole. 30:23 And then that thing curves this way and this way and this way. And anytime you hit that boundary, it's going to bounce back in. That's what it felt like. Like, like honestly, there was you don't get to dictate what your game's going to do. You play what he laid out for you on that course. And that was the coolest part to your point about strategy was like often times when TJ and I talk about this when we go play courses out here by me, I see a different course in TJ sometimes because I'm like, oh, I can cut this off because I know I can carry this. 30:50 This one. Everyone's playing the same hole you have. To yeah, like, it's a shop maker's course. Like I remember multiple times having to hit it under the canopy, you know, like you're, you're tucked under it. You got to keep it low. You can chase balls. I remember the first time going there, it was pretty firm and fast, so you could kind of run and chase balls up and back. 31:10 But the second time it was a little overgrown, so you couldn't really pull that off. But still, it like those elements of a golf course make it so much more interesting to me. You know, like, I think this course just offers so much more fun than a lot of other courses. Agreed. OK, let's hear this one star. 31:27 I was actually Speaking of Speaking of not having fun. Let's lean into this one star review here. Save your time and money. Don't ever go to this BS course. They will charge you $200 for a twilight fee and then let a bunch of people that have never played golf before go in groups of 6 to 8 golfers. 31:49 There is a Marshall that does absolutely zero at the course. It took us over an hour to play four holes. Then we asked at the end if we could get any of the 200 back and they just snickered and told us that we would have never gotten in 18 in two hours, which is complete BS. 32:05 The course is short and not difficult. Don't give your money to these crooks. The Marshall and the guys at the front desk should be fired. Complete trash. There was a response to this Well, I will say if your if your response to the fakeness is the $200 they the response I believe from the owner talked about that the $200 was what the group was charged for the golf course. 32:31 Not OK. I was going to say I knew what the rates. Today, they're not even close to that, Yeah. No, I think, I think he got back to them and said the $200, you're making it sound like I charged you $200 for a tee time and I charged you like $200 for your group to play twice like it was, it was a reasonable fee. 32:50 Well, then he said, he said four holes in like, less in more than an hour or like less than an hour, like 15 minutes. A hole is like decent pace. So it's like, I don't know what you're complaining about there. So there's numbers of ways that we can break this thing down. Yeah. Also, I don't want to play this course fast. 33:07 I want to enjoy myself out there. It was one of the most peaceful walks I've ever walked. Yeah, and I don't recommend getting a cart for this course. By the way, I saw. We got paired with someone that took a cart because I think they had some issues, but like everyone's walking and it's a perfect course to walk. 33:23 Yeah, I wouldn't I I couldn't imagine walking or like thinking I need a cart for a 2800 yard 9 home course. That's especially in the middle of the woods and being like, why would I want to go any faster through this and just drive past everything, right? Part of part of like this golf course is you're walking and you're just like looking around like that's half of this thing. 33:44 Like you're obviously trying to find your ball, but you're just like, there's just like majesty of trees. You're like, holy shit, this is real. It feels like a like a video game course. It does. I was blown away at how wide the trees were at the base. Like I have a shot again of Jones and he's I'm zoomed in on him. 34:01 I zoom out and he looks like a little minuscule Ant compared to these trees. Man, it's insane how big they are. It really is. That's crazy. I mean, for a tree to get up to 200 feet, right, it's got to be pretty damn sturdy at the base, right? Like hundreds and hundreds of years old. 34:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, well I want to let Derek talk about the must play test. Sean and I devised the ten question Must play test to try and help fairly evaluate all aspects of a golf course. We asked Derek to bring three of them to the table today that Northwood would easily pass. 34:37 So Derek, what's the first one on the must play test that you want to look at? Forgive me guys, I need to pull up the questions again. I have a good story if you want me to tell it while you do that, please. I'm trying to find. That stupid thing. All right, TJ, this one's for you. 34:54 So people may not know that Jones and I work together and we went up for a client visit and then I snuck in a trip to Northwood as part of the San Francisco client visit, and we convinced one of our clients who lives in that area to come meet us for a wine tasting. 35:11 So I'm like, how far is this wine tasting from Northwood? I do the math and I'm like, oh, that's actually pretty close. So I was like, but I don't want to drive back that night. So this was the day that Jones and I had when we played Northwood. We stayed in San Francisco. We went to a tiki bar the night before and stayed out real late. 35:27 Did you go to the famous one? Our ritual. What's it called? OK, there's one like at the bottom of the hotel that everyone goes to in San Francisco. Forgive me. Yeah, no, no, no. Well, there's like 5 tiki bars out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 35:44 Smugglers Cove is the one that everyone usually goes to. So we went to a tiki bar. Woke up the next morning, It was the farmers market in front of the fairies building. We were staying at the hotel crossing the fairy building. So we went out and got a bomb Bragel breakfast sandwich and a coffee. Drove across the Golden Gate Bridge, up an hour to a wine tasting at La Crema. 36:04 Took our client out to a wine tasting that day. I had to a little much. Jones was drinking more than that because I was driving. Drove the Northwood after a wine tasting, which was like on the road on the way there. Played one of my favorite rounds of golf ever. And then we realized that we haven't really been eating anything between the wine tasting and Northwood. 36:23 We had beer at Northwood and whatnot. I was like, we need something. We got Taco Bell on the way back to Santa Rosa and then we realized that Russian River Brewing was in Santa Rosa and they weren't closed yet, so I had Pliny and Blind Pig to end the night. I had all that in one day and it was like one of my favorite days ever and I was flying after the end of that day. 36:45 That's an unreal day. I mean, Blind Pig is probably one of my favorite beers of all time. Oh, it's incredible. I. Mean, like Pliny the Elder is great, but Blind Pig is kind of a that's my personal favorite. Yeah, yeah. I've never even, I've never even heard of it. 37:01 I only hear as a Southern California guy, I only ever hear people rave about Pliny. Like if somebody finds Pliny on tap at a bar down here, they're like, they like scream it from the rooftops. They're like, hey, this bar has Pliny on tap. Like everyone's, everyone's jazzed. It's like less hoppy version. Of Bush. 37:17 That's that's, that's more, that's a little bit more my speed. I mean, San Diego, you guys are like IPA capital of the world. Like that's where it all started. Arrogant bastard. I, I, I, I love, I love a good Stone IPA. I'm more of a more of a West Coast IPA guy. 37:34 I'm AI like a like a little less hops than everybody else. I'm a little bit more. Floral, I'm with you. I I had my IPA phase and now I'm like, I want something light. I want something, yes. Give me a modello and I'll be happy. I mean, you could put any Mex. 37:49 I'm, I'm from Arizona originally, so you could put any Mexican beer in my hand. And I am, I'm, I'm a happy guy, so. Beer. Right now I feel like I need a beer. I have sculpin in my fridge I can go grab. It that'll do some damage dude. Love Sculpin? I'm not. I'm not going to tell you how to dictate your day. 38:06 You live your life. All right, so going back to the questions, right, Yeah, so I think it definitely the bang for your buck test for sure. I just wanted to I checked the rates today. I think weekday, weekday like afternoon rounds was like 33 bucks and then the weekend was 55. 38:28 You know, even for only nine holes you will not have a better experience for that price. No, there's no, there's no way from what I've seen from like the photos and how everyone describes it like that's, that's an insanely low tee time price that they, I think they know that they probably have to charge something that's less like that because they know they win any higher. 38:49 You've got to get people who drive out there, right? And it's nine holes, don't forget, right? How, How will, how often are you willing to drive an hour for nine holes if the tee time was $75.00, right? The interesting thing, so this is what I, I told you one of the times that I played, I brought my wife and my buddy's wife and their kid. 39:11 Like this is the part that I think is interesting is that my wife's not a golfer. Like golfing is really not anything she really cares about. She had a great time just hanging with me and being in that nature. Like it is so different from any other golf course that you can bring non golfers there and even they will be amazed at it. 39:27 And that's what I think this course offers that others won't. Right. And, and you know, going back to some of those reviews where it's about the vibes and that kind of stuff, like there might be 6 people on a, on a golf hole at the same time, like it doesn't matter. Like you're just like, wow, this place is incredible. 39:43 I don't care what's happening around me. I, I love me a good party hole. I love playing with like a foursome behind me or in front of us. And, and we find a spot on the golf course that's maybe a little bit of a blind spot to a Marshall or after a Marshall passes and we know we won't see one for a bit and get everybody all jammed up on one hole together for a little bit. 40:03 Those vibes are Immaculate. We actually did our at our first meet up last year. We have a so we have the Melvin, the Melvin stuff. The CEO Steven Melvin lives in Carmel and so there's a store here and he has like a crew of young kids that work at this place. 40:21 They're like 2425 years old. They had their own team for our first twilight outing and it was 9 hole scramble. I didn't play in this first one 'cause I was just panicking about is everyone having fun? So I was taking a cart and just driving around. I pull up to the 5th hole, they have four groups on the same hole playing a best ball, 16 guys just trying to like make a chip. 40:42 And it was amazing. Like I love that idea. It it obviously has to be part of that day. Whatever is happening, whatever is going on. Like if I see a group of 16, I'm going to be pissed if I'm not a part of it. But if it's like a vibe party day, I love it. It's it's. All about optics. 40:58 Like every conversation I've ever had with a Marshall being like, hey, like we, we're really good about pace of play. I, we've tried to do it multiple times on boys trips or bachelor parties or whatever, trying to jam everybody up together. And the Marsh will be like, I know that you guys are playing fast or aren't going to be the problem, but it's not about that. 41:17 It's about how it looks to everybody else on the golf course. Yes. Oh, and that actually that reminds me. So earlier you were saying like, what do you look for in a golf course for doing these gatherings, things like that? Yeah, so I have one of my buddies organized this tournament called the Lost House Invitational, and it's where we just had our 17th year that we've done it. 60 guys, two man scramble, 3 day event. 41:41 Right. And one thing that I've learned that makes the event stand out that much more is having an area behind the 18th hole where everyone can hang out. Oh, yeah. And watch the groups come in, like whether it's part of the restaurant, whether if it's just like a hillside that we can like, bring the car girl out and like, get a bunch of drinks, like having everyone hang out on 18, watching the groups come in. 42:05 Man does that like elevate an event. Oh yeah, We were talking to the guy from Chasing Aces in Portland, and he does that at his Franklin Open tournament where he sets up the vendor stands and all the seating essentially around the last hole, so. You can just. All hang and watch, but. Well, like everyone's chirping each other, you know, it's like you got a 5 foot putt now you got 30 people watching. 42:26 Yeah, this is the real deal. So yeah, that's that's another thing. So sorry to derail that. No, no, no. I love that. Let's what was the second test that you wanted to talk about here for Northwood? So it was the buzzworthy, buzzworthy test. Yeah. So for those just quickly, for those who are uninformed who have maybe not listened to must play, the buzzworthy test is that are there multiple holes worth talking about? 42:47 Does this course have more than one hole that a group would want to go immediately play again? So yeah, I would say I distinctly remember the 2nd hole having this pretty wide fairway, but then there's like 2 trees and then the Green's right behind it. 43:03 So you have to literally like split the fair or split the the uprights to land on the green and being like this is insane. So that was one. And then 18 is pretty wild or sorry, 9 is pretty wild. There's like 5 or 6 holes that really stand out. 43:19 And it has the, the signature Alistair McKenzie where there's like contours in the fairways where you can be like it, it should be a ditch, but it's fairway. You know, it's like he's wild. And they're 4 feet deep and they're all over the place. 43:35 I think most golf course architects would just fill them up with dirt and then grow grass over it. He's like, no, like, let's build this into the fairway. And it's just all so many of those like memorable pieces of different holes that I think really make a stand out. Yeah. I, I As I've gotten more comfortable with my golf swing over the past few years, I've started to appreciate more things like that. 43:56 I also love that, but when people remove the idea of a forced carry is what makes golf difficult, whereas maybe having a like 20° downhill that I have to stand on to hit a ball is equally as difficult as having a forced carry into that. 44:15 So I like Harken back to to Goat Hill where I think of like 16 on Goat Hill, Sean, where it's like, yeah, you can pump driver. But if you pump driver like you're gonna hit it down into a little ditch and then you have like a 30 foot pitch shot up a hill. 44:30 Or you can like lay up with an iron and then you have like 120 yard shot in. That's like relatively. Flat yeah, this course is like that. You can't overpower it, like I said, but you also, you have to understand what question they're asking or he's asking you in this course. 44:46 Like, you know, it's you just do the math and hit the shot and it, like you said, Derek, it's like, can you execute on that shot? The shot makers, right, 'cause like besides bending it, there's like how much can you control the run out of your shot 'cause if you're not, you're boned by your next shot with trees, right? 45:06 And you said like under the canopy, that first Part 3 is one of the holes. I went back. There's like an overhang and I'm like, I have, I'm sitting there with a pitching wedge. I'm like, this is going to hit that branch. What do I play here? Do I hit a punch shot for a for like 130 yard par three? 45:22 That sounds stupid. And then I'm like, no, I think I have that And I asked Jones and he's like pitching wedge isn't going to hit that. So I hit pitching wedge. I maybe came like 2 feet from that branch. Like if I had hit it a little higher, easily could have hit and it landed like perfectly. 45:38 And you and I was like, that's insane that like it was that close. But that was like, I don't know if he's like the people who are taking care of the course are like aware of that kind of stuff in terms of like, when is it getting too low or do they let it go? But like, that's the level of calculations I feel like you have to do here. 45:55 Yes, nuts. You have to think your way around that spot because again, you're not just going to hammer driver and go find it. No, if you do that, you're going to be boned, like you said. So it's like, OK, what club do you want and what does it look like? And I remember again, this is not, of course, I've played 20 times. 46:11 I've played twice. So it's like, forgive me if I my memory's messing with me a little bit, but I remember walking away with just remembering. Like there's a lot of like, not necessarily blind, but because of the trees, you can't see the whole green. You can't see everything that you need to see. 46:27 So you're like, I don't know where the miss is, you know, So it's like you're just going at flags hoping that it's the right move. And then you just you need a second go round to be like, OK, don't do that next time. You know, like that is not the play. But I think that's what makes it fun. 46:43 You know, it's like, no, you're not on the courses where everything's just right in front of you. This is not that course. Yeah, no, but you know you're not alone in those blind spots because you hear other trees getting knocked off. Talking about echoes, right? Like, you'll hear the echo of your own shot, but then you'll hear nine more balls just ricocheting off trees. 47:00 Yeah. The entire day, yeah. OK, so and then what was the last Test that you wanted to pass it here on for the must play test, the vibes test. OK, Big Sean would agree. Oh God. Yeah. Again, like if I can take people that don't golf and enjoy it, like that's a, that's a big pass for me. 47:22 That's five stars. That's all of it because then everyone can have fun, right? Like we brought my friend's little daughter who was like 2 years old and she was just kind of running along a fairway next to us and she was having a great time. So her mom and dad are having a great time. 47:37 We're having drinks, so the wife's having a good time. I'm playing this incredible golf course, so I'm having a good time. Like that is the vibe of this course. Like you're not going to a A+ level golf resort. You go into this crazy place in the redwoods that shouldn't be there. 47:56 But you were talking about how quiet it is, how calm it is. Like all that culminates into this just incredible experience. That's all. That's the only way I can I can I can describe it. I have a picture of the vibes I'll put up there but you guys can see right now. Yeah. I mean, look at the redwoods, just how big they are. 48:15 You didn't even make it in the full screen. But I'm just having a beer right behind 9 Green. And there was smoke coming out of the cabin behind me. The restaurant people were out in the patio, you hear a little like they were watching a game or something. So there was little cheers here and there for whatever game was on. Hey, I wanted to stay there till dark. 48:33 I told Jones I was like, hey, what if we don't make Russian River before it closes? Like, is that a big deal? And he was like, I think this is the spot. I think it is, but. Then I realized I was. Starving Sean, hypothetical question here for you based upon maybe previous listeners of the podcast. 48:52 If if you were to be buried somewhere or where you want to spend the last moments of your life, is it sitting in that chair on 9 at Northwood or is it at the Lodge at Torrey Pines? Why do you ask me these things? Because I've heard you just specifically refer to both of those as your best days ever. 49:14 Yeah, OK, OK. You know, what they have in common is that both spots are super cozy, comfortable, the logitory with the fireplace right there and you're on the patio when it's like a nice Gray day versus this one is the same way. Like both are like, I just want a hoodie and a beer and a fire. 49:31 But it's funny you mentioned buried because at the course they have plaques of like, I think it's like there is it people who played there all the time or like locals or something. But they have like little memorials throughout and right behind 9. But I remember like seeing some of that. 49:48 And I know EAL did a video on this too where he talks about this. But like you want to talk about like a community that made it feel like a community completely where I know the course's family ran already. But now you've got like this place that feels like it is a meeting spot or a gathering place for everyone. 50:07 And that really drove it home for me. So to answer your question, TJ, it's still Tori. It's still. I thought so very different. I mean, when you're talking about Tori in Northwood, like it's they're not the same, right? 50:22 Like there's different places, different outcomes, different expectations for sure. Like if I go to Tori, I want to play my ass off, whereas if I go to Northwood I'm like, I don't care what happens today. Like I'm just here doing the thing. Yeah. But for me it's the Lodge because specifically the lodge is a Craftsman style book. 50:42 And that Craftsman style reminds me of the redwoods in Yosemite. And like those two things are in my mind kind of similar. Yeah, it's. Like I don't know why I don't frequent the lodge as much as I probably should, but also I think I am also doing myself a disservice by driving over there and then not playing golf at all. 51:03 So it's probably why I don't end up there more frequently. OK, so we talked about the must play test that Derek wanted to pass. I also have a few fun facts. Slash trivia here. Derek actually stole our first question here talking about Northern California Alistair McKenzie designs. 51:27 I was going to ask put him to the test about what other courses did he design up there, but you had already previously mentioned those in Cypress Point and Pasat Tiempo. The second one here there is a nickname that the locals have dubbed Northwood. Have either of you heard of this nickname or do you know this nickname? 51:46 Care to take any guesses? I think I know it. Sean, you know it there. I mean, I have a guess, but it's out of nowhere. Go ahead. No, but that does lean over to my next trivia fact, So we'll get back to that in a second, Sean. 52:07 Is it knock wood? It is knock wood due to the due to all the tee shots smacking off of the Redwood tree. So nice little, nice little humble name there. And then lastly, here we talked about Northwood sits on the Russian River. 52:24 On the other side of the Russian River is a super exclusive retreat that is often described as summer camp for the world's most powerful people, the Bohemian Grove. Derek knows it's the Bohemian Grove. I'm a weird conspiracy guy so I've gone down rabbit holes about the Bohemian Grove. 52:45 I've heard of this place. Yeah. I, I, It's funny because I thought, Sean, I thought that you would know this because this is, this is right in your alley. You are also a conspiracy theory guy. I knew I liked you there. I thought for sure that Sean would nail this one. 53:00 But obviously, Derek was already tipping his cap on that second question there. I have a friend who you guys would all know, but I'm not going to share his name, whose dad is a member of the Bohemian Grove and he swears that none of the weird shit happens there. But I've, I've gone down enough rabbit holes to know that there's something weird going on out there. 53:19 So I saw that guy that broke into it at night and like filmed a bunch of the stuff. Yeah. What's his name? The crazy guy? Fuck, I forgot his name. But yeah, there's a, there's a guy, there's footage of them doing some weird rituals where they're burning an effigy and doing really weird shit up there. 53:35 But it's all like ex presidents, CEOs, you were right. Like leaders of the world go there like once or twice a year. Yeah, it's it's it's it's crazy. OK, Well, was there anything else that you guys wanted to cover about Northwood? 53:50 Anything that we didn't touch upon today? Anything that you want anybody at home to know why they should go out and go play this golf course. I mean, it's not far from like wine country. So if you and the partner like want to go out some wine like this is a great place to to just go and. 54:08 I think, I think also with nine holes, I think nine holes is also as a person who is trying to introduce their wife into playing more G9 holes is the right price and the right amount of time to dedicate to get that person out there. Right where you're saying look at its worst, it's probably only going to take two, maybe 2 1/2 hours out of our day. 54:29 It's not a full 18 on a championship size golf course. That's going to be a 4/4 and 1/2 hour for them. Maybe time suck also if you're also if you're paying somewhere in the range of 3035 bucks for nine holes and they only want to play four and then they want to stop. 54:47 You're not like sick. I spend a bunch of money on a tee time for you to come out and ride in the cart and look at your phone or read a book and then also like the scenery there. Like not every 9 hole, but this one especially like you said, your your wife is having a good time just being out there having some drinks like it's it's just a good place to be at golf the side. 55:08 I would say that we've done a pretty good job at describing what the course would look like, but it does not. It still doesn't do it justice. Like you have to see it in person, like it is so much bigger than you would ever imagine it would be. That's that's the only like we can we could have AI couldn't even produce how good this course looks when you're standing right next to it. 55:29 No, I agree. If there's one other thing I'll leave with, it's that it's somehow passed. Just golf. Reminds me of a National Park or some place where you almost want to go before it's too late. Like you don't know if this will always exist in this state and you're kind of like, just go, just take advantage of it now. 55:52 You're going to have memories of this place and who knows if they'll be around for the next generation or whatever. Right. Yeah. I'm terrified that some, like VC from San Francisco is going to be like, this is an opportunity to we'll buy it for 15,000,000, we'll put 10 million into it. We'll make it'll be 250 bucks for nine holes. 56:08 Like that's what scares me the most. So I agree. Like, go play it before something crazy happens. Yeah, it's almost like a foreign capsule of a place, right? That's what I'm trying to say. That's a great way of saying it. Yeah. Before the before the family who runs it just is done and wants to cash out and says cool, we could get that money for it now and we can be done. 56:26 Yeah. OK. So obviously, Derek, huge thank you for you hopping on, chatting Northwood with us, telling us about your story, your history with golf, Twilight Social Club. It's been it's been honestly great to connect. So thank you so much. Fingers crossed someday that I will make this trip or Sean and I will make this trip. 56:45 We'll figure out a way for all of us to play it or for maybe even me to play it. And then we'll have Derek come back on and. We'll go through the. Full must play test on this. It'll be it would be a good time. If you guys are around, call me, I will move everything to go play that spot, OK? And we'll figure out some other places to play. 57:00 Well, Sean, maybe the next time you have a client, you know, we figure out a way to tack on me just flying up the coast and we make it happen. I'm going in November. OK, You didn't have to put it back close. I. So time to time to pay up boys, let's see it. 57:17 I don't. Think it's. I don't think it's I don't think I got I got married this year. I got married last month, Derek. So the congratulations, thank you, thank you. The financials are just not in a place to swing a trip. Oh I get it. I'm going to Italy on Syncase though I'm strapped too. 57:34 I think I, I will definitely be picking your brain on on Italy because I think that's where we're going to do our honeymoon next year. So nice. You and I might have to have some back and forths on where you went. And what was good and what wasn't so. That'll be cool. Bring it. I'm hoping for just good wines and that's all I want. 57:51 For the only other thing I would say that everyone says that Italy is right now is you're going to drink Aperol spritzes all day. If you're whether you're an apertif guy or not, you're just going to drink Aperol spritzes all day. Sounds good to me. I'm in. Yeah, yeah. 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